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Post by tinkerslady on Sept 3, 2012 18:26:58 GMT
Hi all,
I am looking for information about my great grandfather. He was killed in a mill accident sometime around 1900 or late 1890s. The story was told by my father that after James Henry Dare was killed in an accident, that the Mill was (relocating/closing maybe?)and opening up a mill in Massachusetts. The owners of the mill paid for the entire Dare family (my grandmother was 7 at the time) to come with them and the family members would always have a job in the mill. Does anyone know anything about what mill that was and who the owners were? Was there any documentation on how my great grandfather died (newspaper? or other)? The came to the US in 1907. I always loved this story so wanted to get some info on it.
Thanks!
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Post by vale on Sept 5, 2012 13:54:06 GMT
What does the death certificate say?
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Post by tinkerslady on Sept 5, 2012 18:35:29 GMT
I have not been able to obtain any records. My grandmother's birth certificate was not located either.
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Post by vale on Sept 6, 2012 15:28:45 GMT
What reason did the authorities give for not having records of the death of your grandfather and birth of your grandmother?
I ask because it seems unusual that there is no record especially if the death was from an accident as I would have expected an inquiry of some sort into the accident.
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Post by maryb on Sept 6, 2012 17:32:37 GMT
It appears that Jane Ohara didn't marry James henry Dare.
1911 32,Broom street Keighley
Jane O'Hara a spinner born keighley 1871.
She was single and had 7 children 2 of which had died.
1901 150,Park Lane
she is with James Dare born 1862 farnham Surrey he is working as an Iron Driller in a sewing machine works.It looks as though it says he is married!
Jane O'Hara a twister and down as single
Lilly 1893 she died 1907 in keighley.
Ashey O'Hara 1897 (Not sure if this is correct name)a female.
John O'Hara 1899.Death record down as John James Dare born 24/3/1899 died Nov 1964
Parents of James Dare were George Dare 1830 Surrey and Alice,
Parents of Jane O'Hara were Margaret born keighley 1842 and Brian O'Hara 1840.His mum was Rose O'Hara.
1891 29 leeds street Keighley
Margaret O'Hara widow
Jane O'Hara 1871.
1891 78 Park lane.
James Dare single a labourer (Says James Dave).
George Dare 1872 keighley
Ann Dare. Mother. a widow
Jane O'Hara Dare arrived in USA on the Ship Ivenia 28/3/1913?? She died 1950.
All the children were registerd in the name O'Hara.
Clara O'Hara march 1907 Volume 9a Page 178
Annie O'Hara Sept 1904 V9a P 192.
There is death but the birth year doesn't fit as he was born in Farnham Surrey 1862.
James Henry Dare born @ 1876 died keighley O/N/D 1914 V9a P162 If the informant didn't know is birth year then they may have took a guess at it.
It is also strange that I can't find the above on 1911 census,either born 1862 or 1876.
Maryb
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Post by tinkerslady on Sept 6, 2012 18:09:55 GMT
OMG!!!! Thank you! So if I have this straight, my great grandmother was a mistress and had 7 children. Annie was my grandmother. If she was born out of wedlock then that may be why I couldn't find her birth certificate. She would have been Anne Ohara!
Geez! This is not the first "skeleton" I have found... LOL! My grandmother on my mom's side had 2 children out of wedlock before she married.
WOW wow wow!!! BTW what does the numbers mean on James Henry Dare born @ 1876 died keighley O/N/D 1914 V9a P162 ?
I also just found out that the mill was owned by 2 brothers and according to the stories James died taking one down?
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Post by maryb on Sept 6, 2012 18:30:00 GMT
Those numbers are what you need to order the certificate.
I can't understand why I can't find him in 1911 if was still alive.
I'm not sure if this is a marriage of James Dare but his age occupation and dad fits.
married 24/12/1881 in Calverley Yorkshire.
James Dare age 19 = 1862 occupation Sewing machine makers dad George a overlooker.
to Annie Eliza Booth born 1863 dad John a Stoker.
2 children born th this marriage were
James Edward Dare 1885 Bradford.
Annie(Hannah) Marie 1883
These 2 children are with their grandparents in 1891/1901
John and Jane Ann Booth born Rodley leeds.
A death to fit the lady he married
Annie Eliza Dare born @ 1866 died Bradford 1907,I can't find her on 1891/1901 census to check if she was alone or not.
James is with his mum 1891 and states he is single!!
But 1901 states he is married!!
Maryb.
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Post by tinkerslady on Sept 6, 2012 19:44:58 GMT
"Those numbers are what you need to order the certificate.
I can't understand why I can't find him in 1911 if was still alive.
I'm not sure if this is a marriage of James Dare but his age occupation and dad fits.
married 24/12/1881 in Calverley Yorkshire.
James Dare age 19 = 1862 occupation Sewing machine makers dad George a overlooker.
to Annie Eliza Booth born 1863 dad John a Stoker.
2 children born th this marriage were
James Edward Dare 1885 Bradford.
Annie(Hannah) Marie 1883
These 2 children are with their grandparents in 1891/1901
John and Jane Ann Booth born Rodley leeds.
A death to fit the lady he married
Annie Eliza Dare born @ 1866 died Bradford 1907,I can't find her on 1891/1901 census to check if she was alone or not.
James is with his mum 1891 and states he is single!!
But 1901 states he is married!!"
I wonder if maybe she died before or if he divorced her (or just left) I do know that my grandmother Annie was Catholic so if he divorced I am not sure Jane would have married him (but children are ok?) Or maybe their marriage was registered in the church instead? But I cannot understand why the children would have O'Hara as a last name then.
LOL, it is a puzzle. I know that Jane came here with her 4 children John, Annie, Clara, Margeret in 1913.
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Post by maryb on Sept 6, 2012 20:02:39 GMT
I don't think James would have divorced as it was too costly in those days.
I think he would have just left his wife and went back to keighley.
I have been searching the 2 children to the marriage in bradford.
The boy went to live in USA and his next of kin on Army records was his sister Hannah Maria Rawnsley of leeds.
I'll give it another go tomorrow.
Maryb.
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Post by tinkerslady on Sept 6, 2012 20:16:03 GMT
Oh! I think James may also be known as John. Is there a record of John and Jane?
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Post by malcolm on Sept 6, 2012 23:34:06 GMT
James Henry Dare - buried 19th Mar 1907 - aged 38 - Driller - in K 466 - public grave at Utley Cemetery. Died 36 Broom Street Keighley. Does not appear on Ancestry or GRO - possibly mispelt.
I note that this is the year referred to above!
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Post by vale on Sept 7, 2012 7:35:46 GMT
From John Wadsworth Attachments:
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Post by vale on Sept 7, 2012 7:36:12 GMT
From John Wadsworth Attachments:
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Post by vale on Sept 7, 2012 7:36:37 GMT
From John Wadsworth Attachments:
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Post by vale on Sept 7, 2012 7:37:31 GMT
The above were sent to me by John Wadsworth for your additional information
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Post by maryb on Sept 7, 2012 8:06:24 GMT
Very intersting Vale,strange there is nothing about his accident.
He seems a bit of a naughty boy.
Maryb
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Post by sean1981 on Sept 7, 2012 9:01:06 GMT
Same thread but a different story.
Is there an archive where these accidents would have been recorded? Perhaps an inquiry held.
My great grandfather was killed when Lees Lane (Syke mill) was being built in Haworth. He was a stone mason and fell to his death I believe. Sometime around 1880 - 1890 It would be nice to look it up if someone knows where to start.
John
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Post by Andy Wade on Sept 7, 2012 10:55:33 GMT
If there was an inquiry then I would have expected it to be reported in the local newspaper, so that's a good place to start. Check the card index at Keighley Library for the newspapers under his name and possibly under the name of the mill for around the dates or sometime after to see if they reported the outcome of the inquiry or even reported the death itself.
That might lead to other sources of information. Plus you would be able to search and apply for a Death Certificate for him.
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Post by tinkerslady on Sept 7, 2012 21:34:22 GMT
Oh My , it seems my family were a bit colorful..... At least it mentions James and Jane in an article. My dad wrote before he passed that it was John Dare. Could I be following the wrong path? I find this all very perplexing. No record of a marriage, all the kids named O'Hara. Was it common in the time for children to have their mother's name? I also found that the wool mill was owned by 2 brothers who moved a lot of familys to the US. Does this help?
BTW - Thank you all for your help!!!! I very much doubt I will get to travel to the UK but if I ever do, I hope to look you up. Keighley seems a very interesting place.
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Post by maryb on Sept 8, 2012 8:16:50 GMT
No I don't think you are following the wrong path as all the childrens names are the same.
James Dare is with Jane on 1901 census in same area.
Janes address on her immigration records were 10,The Walk,so what were the mills on there?
Maryb
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Post by tinkerslady on Sept 8, 2012 17:26:59 GMT
I am still trying to figure out which mill shut down there and moved to Ma, USA. I believe James was killed taking down the mill. It says he was buried in 1907 but Jane didn't leave until 1913. With no records of the mill accident it is hard to tell.
I was adding James other wife and found a 1911 census for a Henry Dare with wife Eliza and daughter Annie, so we may have 2 James Henry, or John or whatever. Darn why did they all have such common names!
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Post by maryb on Sept 8, 2012 18:19:57 GMT
Just been Googling about Westford Middlesex Ma USA.
It seems there was a Abbott Worsted Mill co who sent people over to Keighley England to recruit mill workers.
I wonder if that could be linked.
I wouldn't have thought they would have actually took the mill down in 1907.
Maryb.
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Post by tinkerslady on Sept 10, 2012 8:37:07 GMT
Wow thank you so much! How many wool mills were there at the time? It looks like my great Uncle also kept the name O'Hara when he grew up here so unless it was common to use the mother's name at the time.... Now I am wondering if James Dare was my great grandfather.....It will be interesting to find out. Do the birth certificates there name the father? I can order Annie's (which I planned to anyway) It was a surprise to find out my father could have been a dual citizen had he applied before he passed. My family did not talk much so I am having some of the same issues on my mother's side in finding many records, even from the US. So many records are still not online. BTW is there immigration records of when people came over from Ireland to the UK back then? There were a few family members that seemed to have come from there.
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Post by maryb on Sept 11, 2012 9:00:21 GMT
Yes the birth certificate should name the father,unless they were iligitimate.
But it seems as though Jane was in a relationship with Mr Dare so I would have thought he would be named.But stranger things have happened!
In my opinion James Dare is likely to be the dad and the very fact that Jane O'hara filled in the 1911 census and wrote single and signed in her own hand even though she had 7 children.
If you don't have this record I will send it to you if you PM me with your E.Mail address.
There doesn't seem to be records of arrivals in England from Ireland,I wish there were,my husbands rellies came over from Co Mayo.
Maryb.
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Post by maryb on Sept 11, 2012 9:06:27 GMT
Forgot to say you can order certificates from gro.gov.uk £9 25p each.
You will need the Volume and Page number and registration district.
The address to which Jane O'Hara Dare was going to in MA was Forge Village,the same place as Abbot Worsted Company
Maybe she had to claim she was married to get her passage free from them.
It would be interesting to see what the actual death record for James Henry Dare says,ie informant and cause.
Maybe you could take a risk with that one registered Kly,although it isn't the correct year.
It is probably just another one of those many errors the transcribers made.
Maryb.
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Post by tinkerslady on Sept 11, 2012 18:13:24 GMT
I think this is so interesting. You are really good at this! I had hoped the local paper would have a record of accidents/deaths at the mills. Is the paper's archives online or would I have to try to order it from the library? I am thinking you are correct in why she said she was married. I would have thought the brothers who owned the mill would have known though. LOL Besides, I think it would have been easier on her here saying she was a widow. I think at the times, in the small town she was moving to, she would have been treated somewhat differently had she been not married and the kids illegitimate. The kids too. I don't believe my dad knew this.  What a surprise. |
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What a surprise.